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<jeroen> thomasvs: or come to #devel-apps and ask permission from campd/jpr
<ross> what was a good crack option in gnome1?
<ross> haven't seen a g1 desktop for so long i can't think of one...
<jpr> thomasvs: if it fixes it for sure, please commit it
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<thomasvs> jpr: what it does it set ACLOCAL properly in the Makefile.  There are better ways of doing it with higher automake, but for automake-1.4 this looks to be the best way of doing it
<jpr> thomasvs: hmm
<jpr> thomasvs: anjuta2 is working towards gnome 2.2
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<jpr> thomasvs: so it should be using automake 1.6 or higher
<jpr> thomasvs: maybe you should mail me the patch first, jpr@ximian.com
<fcrozat> anybody understanding fontconfig cache disk structure around ? :))
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<thomasvs> jpr: I added a comment on how to do it with am1.6
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<thomasvs> well, I'll just mail it, it's a no-brainer
<dolphy> micampe: If you install Gnome2 so that you looses Gnome1.4, then all your old Gnome 
<dolphy> based programs will stop working.
<dolphy> micampe: damn some people are just ..
<dolphy> micampe: dunno how to say
<dolphy> micampe: "like the chewinggum you have under your shoes..."
<sxpert_work> ross: well said
<ross> sxpert_work: thanks :)
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<ross> sxpert_work: i got really wound up :)
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<jdub> ross: i got in on the action too :)
<sxpert_work> any ideas ? my machine oopse sometimes, but a kernel compile is fine. Whenever there is a oops, it's because it says it can't allocate memory or something
<ross> yay!
<matgarnz_> hi ross
<ross> jdub: i'm glad you posted, you are far better at anti-fud that i am 
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<ed__> all that is silly
<ed__> you are all silly munchkins!
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<ed__> murrayc the gathering!
<ed__> that is the best game ever
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<Blachat> what is the order garnome install the pacjks ... ?
<Blachat> yelp is the last one?
<MCArkan> the right one
<Blachat> what?!
<MCArkan> nothing
<MCArkan> kidding
<Blachat> did u compiled gnome?!
<Blachat> 2.1 rcx1?
 Blachat Bluehorn 
<ross> Blachat: why does the order matter
<MCArkan> not the 2.1 line
<Blachat> because i want gnome 2.1 already
<ross> when its finished, you can use it. until then, don't
<ross> sweeeet
<ross> straw bugs are disappearing
<ross> juri: if someone says "straw segfaults", the reply is "upgrade libgnomeui"
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 terral tagoh TD thomasvs thos tiil tnt 
 thomasvs thos 
 thomasvs thos 
<ross> thomasvs: "bison: extra operand `../gstmarshal.h'" when building 0.5.1.. any idea? :(
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<thomasvs> ross: yeah, that rule should be fixed
<thomasvs> ross: does it cause trouble though ?
<ross> yeah, its stops compilation
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<iain> ross; upgrade libgnomeui
<MCArkan> has guppi been ported to gnome 2 ?
<ross> always upgrade libgnomeui
<ross> wow, christian marillat was fast then.
<ross> i filed a bug this morning and he fixed it already
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<ross> thomasvs: i hacked the makefile to use bison-1.35, sid has 1.875 as default
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<Blachat> is there a Gnome tool to maintain the rpm pack .?!
<ross> gnorpm used to exist, but i don't know if its in rh8
<mxpxpod> is anyone else having problems logging into sourceforge's cvs?
<MCArkan> doesn't nautilus handle them ?
<MCArkan> or he just looks within ?
<thomasvs> ross: you can also change $^ to grammar.y
<thomasvs> ross: it's changed in cvs
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 thomasvs thos 
<ross> thomasvs: cool. also naughty for hardcoding "bison" instead of using $BISON :)
<mxpxpod> also, is anyone using cvs also having problems with the theme manager crashing?
<thomasvs> yeah, changed that too
 thomasvs thos 
<ross> thomasvs: and... erm... ok then. :)
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<thomasvs> ross: heh, sorry for nipping your bug reports in the bud :)
<ross> i'll get it next time, next time
<Blachat> yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
* ross shakes fist 
<Blachat> finished to compile took me 3:30 hours to compile
<Blachat> what should i do now?!
<ross> start gnome?
<iain> where are the standard gtk themes kept...gtk-engines?
<MCArkan> recompile :)
<ross> read the garnome documentation?
<MCArkan> 3:30 isn't long enough
<ross> lol
<Blachat> ross: i need to restart the computer?
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<ross> MCArkan: i can get most of gnome done in that, not inc. mozilla etc
<MCArkan> ross: takes me almost half a day ;)
<mxpxpod> yay!!the theme manager in cvs works!
<ross> MCArkan: takes a full day for me at work :)
<MCArkan> ross: what cpu ?
<MCArkan> :)
<ross> MCArkan: 2000xp
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<MCArkan> doh
<MCArkan> got 500MHz
<ross> MCArkan: and lots of that lovel pc2700 ddr ram
<voltron> Blachat: http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/
<voltron> Blachat: FAQ #10
<ross> MCArkan: at work, on a celery 550, a make clean takes several minutes. it sucks *and* blows.
<Blachat> PATH=$HOME/garnome/bin:$PATH
<Blachat> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$HOME/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH GDK_USE_XFT=1
<Blachat> export PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH GDK_USE_XFT
<Blachat> exec $HOME/garnome/bin/gnome-session
<Blachat> i have rh 8 should i add this to
<Blachat> .xsession
<MCArkan> Blachat: you're confusing shell and xchat there
<Blachat> i am using right now in Gnome so what to do
<MCArkan> yes
<MCArkan> and make it executable
<Blachat> ok
<ross> MCArkan: you're getting rather sarcastic today :)
<MCArkan> and link .xinitrc to .xsession
<Blachat> but i think iand link .xinitrc to .xsession how can i do this?!
<MCArkan> ross: na, that's getting experienced with newbies
<MCArkan> Blachat: try ln
<Blachat> what excaly command?!
<ross> MCArkan: i know how you feel..
<Blachat> ln ?!
<ross> Blachat: "man ln"
<MCArkan> ross: :)
<jdub> Blachat: dude
<MCArkan> ln .xinitrc .xsession
<Blachat> where is the .xsession file?
<MCArkan> if it doesn't work, try
<jdub> Blachat: a while ago you said you've been using linux for a few months
<MCArkan> ln .xsession .xinitrc
<jdub> Blachat: you are really not the target audience for GARNOME
<ross> MCArkan: surely a -s in there somewhere
<mxpxpod> is there a bluecurve gtk theme somewhere?
<jdub> Blachat: i would strongly suggest getting a copy of red hat 8
<MCArkan> ross: yeah
<MCArkan> ross: this is why he should read the man :)
<Blachat> where is the .xsession file?
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<ross> ~/
<Blachat> 10x
<MCArkan> ross: you've noticed jdub is more sarcastic than I am
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<micampe> mxpxpod: lighthouseblue.sf.net
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<mxpxpod> micampe:thanks
<Blachat> i only has this file
<Blachat> .xsession-errors
<ross> Blachat: how about creating .xsession then?
<MCArkan> <evil>mv .xsession-errors .xsession</evil>
<ross> dude, thats evil
<Blachat> how can i create ?
<Blachat> cat?!
<MCArkan> try vi
<ross> with a text editor?
<ross> MCArkan: with a combination of /dev/random, dd, and lots of luck?
<Ave> dd of=.xsession -
<Blachat> i create this file
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<Ave> cat is too simple
<MCArkan> ross: no way, use echo !!!!
<Blachat> now i need to add to him this
<Blachat> PATH=$HOME/garnome/bin:$PATH
<Blachat> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$HOME/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH GDK_USE_XFT=1
<Blachat> export PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH GDK_USE_XFT
<Blachat> exec $HOME/garnome/bin/gnome-session
<MCArkan> echo "PATH=$HOME/garnome/bin:$PATH" > ~/.xsession
<Ave> holy complexity batman
<ross> jdub: you can remove the gdk-use-xft bit now, right?
<MCArkan> echo "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$HOME/garnome/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH GDK_USE_XFT=1" >> ~/.xsession
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<Ave> besides if youre using garnome, you should read the DOCS, this is all mentioned there...
<MCArkan> echo "export PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH GDK_USE_XFT" >> ~/.xsession
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<MCArkan> echo "exec $HOME/garnome/bin/gnome-session" >> ~/.xsession
<MCArkan> chmod 744 ~/.xsession
<MCArkan> ln -s .xsession .xinitrc
<MCArkan> startx
<MCArkan> don't forget
<MCArkan> echo "I should read the manuals"
<MCArkan> ;)
<ross> :)
<Ave> or choose xsession from gdm
<cain> any1 have problems with gdm ?
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<jdub> cain: you need to tell us what your problem is, rather than asking if anyone has had problems at all.
<Blachat> i didnt understand how to do this
<Blachat> can u give me the command
<Blachat> commands
<ross> Blachat: open a text editor, copy and paste the lines from the web site, save the file. easy
<jdub> Blachat: did you read the documentation?
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<Blachat> yes
<Blachat> ok
<jdub> Blachat: i don't think GARNOME is what you should be using
<MCArkan> Blachat: shift + page up
<MCArkan> (for the commands)
<MCArkan> they are lost in the logs
<Blachat> i will try ross method and then Mca
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<cain> jdub: never start allways killed
<MCArkan> not Mc, MC
<ross> The Ross Method
<ross> i like the sound of thaty
<MCArkan> The Ross © Method (tm)
<ross> yeah
<ross> now what could it be...
<Blachat> Could not save the file "/home/omri1/.xsession".
<Blachat> There is not enough disk space to save the file.
<Blachat> Please free some disk space and try again.
<Blachat> but
<ross> and thats why garnome only took 3.5 hours 
<jdub> eh
<MCArkan> ross: I was up to say that
<Blachat> dev/hda5              4206136   4172452         0 100% /
<MCArkan> :)
<jdub> heh rather
<Blachat> MC now your meth
<Blachat> ok i need to type
<ross> oh dear god
<Blachat> echo "PATH=$HOME/garnome/bin:$PATH" > ~/.xsession
<voltron> Blachat: delete all your mp3 and porn
<Blachat> right?
<ross> Blachat: THE DISK IS FULL
<MCArkan> Blachat: how could I say that
<Blachat> i know
<MCArkan> Blachat: shutdown the computer !
<MCArkan> hurry !
<Blachat> a sec
<Blachat> why?1
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<thomasvs> oh, my god, it's going to blow up
<ross> MCArkan: garnome isn't installed if the disk is full
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<ross> i can hear it  from here
<Blachat> dev/hda5              4206136   4172452         0 100% /
<MCArkan> Blachat: you're going to loose data
<Blachat> ok
<voltron> Blachat: 100% = 100% FULL
<Blachat> poweroff
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<MCArkan> :)
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<thomasvs> MCArkan: thanks for saving us :)
<MCArkan> I forgot to tell him to run away from the keyboard
<digitect> heh
<ross> MCArkan: quick, change you nick :)
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<digitect> lol
<Blachat> that'll keep him busy for at least ten more minutes
<notRoss> 10x??!?!??!
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<Noone> notRoss: thanks
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<NotMCArkan> Blachat: good point :)
<Uraeus> what is the rpm command if I want to query a rpm file for the files it contain?
<Blachat> rpm -ql
<jdub> de.comp.os.unix.apps.gnome
<notRoss> "Hi, weiß jemand wie ich die Themes der "alten" Gnome 1 apps unter Gnome 2
<notRoss> ändern kann ? "
<notRoss> i think i know the answer...
<jdub> heh
<jdub> "only pixmap themes, and they look like arse"
<NotMCArkan> who bets this guy may not have enough space disk to log in again ?
<notRoss> nah, he'll just login as root
<notRoss> and then go on irc...
<micampe> wow
<iain> is writing a gtk theme just something everyone has to do once?
<voltron> we should institute the freebsd irc policy
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<NotMCArkan> micampe: having some laughts :)
<notRoss> iain: from what i've seen, everyone copy&pastes the same theme engine. they all have the same compile warnings.
<voltron> and redirect people to #gnomehelp or something
 micampe michael 
<mxpxpod> what module is the gnome-system-monitor put in in cvs?
<notRoss> micampe: its not fair, you running away like that :)
<notRoss> mxpxpod: try "procman"
<mxpxpod> notRoss: thanks
<micampe> notRoss: I'm back now from my daily ten minutes of work... sorry :(
<iain> notRoss; well, I'm copying mist, which copied thinice...
<notRoss> iain: if you fix the compile warnings, mail everyone else? its annoying me :)
<notRoss> iain: i thin thinice copied redmond
<iain> heh, probably :)
<notRoss> iain: which was probably a nasty evil hack
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<micampe> http://www.micampe.it/files/fun/blachat.txt
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<peppo> window focus flashes many, many times when accessing Save dialogue for the first time. in gedit, for example. (libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.200.0, gedit 2.0.6. window manager: Window Maker 0.80.1). is this gedit specific or a gtk+/window manager problem? I've seen it in other GTK+ 2 applications as well, but I've only tested with wmaker
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<notRoss> may be a wmaker thing
<peppo> oki
<peppo> probably
<jk24> micampe: poor blackhat !
<peppo> with the window focus going crazy
<sxpert_work> jdub: garnome builds 2.2 out of the box ?
<sxpert_work> or I have to hack something ?
<micampe> jk24: I'm in bad mood today ;)
<micampe> I'm being evil :)
<notRoss> micampe: http://www.micampe.it/files/stuff/I_love_them.jpg -- random photos of girls?
<Oskuro> peppo: I see this too with wmaker.
<micampe> oh
<micampe> that's still there?
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<notRoss> micampe: yes.. is there a story? :)
<micampe> notRoss: the left most one is a friend of mine :)
<Oskuro> peppo: it's gtk2 apps. Happens here with FreeCiv.
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<sxpert_work> the nvidia stuff seems to have poor stability built-in :(
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<notRoss> Oskuro: hiding from blachat 
<notRoss> sxpert_work: nvidia graphics or the integrated stuff?
<kris-hack> did he get annoying?
<notRoss> well, a bit
<kris-hack> logs?
<NotMCArkan> kris-hack: not at all
<sxpert_work> notRoss: Well the Nforce2 thing that has everything
<kris-hack> NotMCArkan: not annoying?
<notRoss> kris-hack: <micampe> http://www.micampe.it/files/fun/blachat.txt
<NotMCArkan> kris-hack: he was just nicely asking some clever questions
<kris-hack> cool :P
<kris-hack> well lets see
<notRoss> kris-hack: thats just a tiny section, it went on for hours
 LEAVE LAGCHECK 
 LASTLOG
 LIST
 LISTDLL
 LOAD
 LOADDLL
 
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<micampe> notRoss: there's more? really??
<thomasvs> micampe: who's the cute third girl (starting from the left) ? :)
<NotMCArkan> micampe: you missed yesteday
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<kris-hack> hahahaha
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<notRoss> thomasvs: heh, i was thinking the same :)
<kris-hack> is there more logged?
<NotMCArkan> not that I know of
<notRoss> i've got some more, one sec
<notRoss> how can i select all in xchat?
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<notRoss> aha, save buffer