No More Hunting in T Minus 3 Hours

As of midnight tonight the barbaric "hobby" of fox hunting is finally banned in England, so the news was saturated with outside broadcasts from a mix of resigned last-ever hunts and determined last-legal hunts. The resigned people have cunning alternatives involving artifical fox scent and running around in the woods for a day, which seems like it would work just as well without the scent and dogs; and the defiant people are telling the world about all of the loopholes they've found and that no amount of prison and fining will stop them hunting foxes with dogs.

What strange people. So far the best argument for hunting foxes is that it's "an age-old tradition" (the argument about keeping fox numbers under control as they are pests doesn't really work with me, when many weekends they don't actually kill any foxes), so I presume these are the same people who want to bring back public hanging, slavery, child beating, no voting for women, and other "age-old traditions" which have been recently stopped.

Most amusing were the people moaning about the changes to their lives after the ban. Future circulation of Horse and Hound is unpredicable (unless it turns into an underground hunting magazine, Foxx 'n' Hounz), shops selling hunting gear have seen a 90% drop in sales, but the most amusing (in a dark way) was the man who claimed he'd have to shoot all 90 of his hounds and he doesn't want to. I'm pretty sure there is a better solution to surplus dogs: giving away/selling them as pets maybe (assuming they don't chase and kill other animals, like domestic cats), or even selling them to people in other countries where fox hunting is practised. I hear the south of France is getting ready for a boom in fox hunting from British people, and frankly they are welcome to them.

NP: Sketches of Spain, Miles Davis

21:03 Thursday, 17 Feb 2005 [#] [life] (18 comments)

Posted by Mike Hearn at Thu Feb 17 21:19:29 2005:
Actually they shoot the hounds after a certain number of years anyway, apparently. They're bred for hunting and not much else, so when they reach the end of their useful life it's seen as kinder to put them down than .... not put them down. See here:

http://www.countryside-alliance.org/edu/hwdshoud.htm

What's especially sick about that is the following quote:

"When hounds reach an age where their quality of life has declined - ie they are no longer able to run and keep up with the other hounds, they are either passed on in retirement to other packs of hounds where the requirements of pace etc. may not be so rigorous or treated in exactly the same way as any responsible dog owner in the UK would treat their dog. They are put down before the animal begins to suffer and become miserable."

I wasn't aware that responsible dog owners in the UK killed their dogs as soon as they got old ....
Posted by Ben at Thu Feb 17 23:22:07 2005:
They are a funny lot of people. I was listening to radio 4, and they had someone on from the hair coursing (sp?). She was saying that "the only loosers will be the hairs, as the farmers will have to shoot all of them now". I'm fairly sure you can't use an argument like "if you don't let us use dogs rip them to shreds, we'll kill them all"!

It's about time it was law. I felt ambivalent about it at the start of the debate, but I've come to my senses!
Posted by Ben at Thu Feb 17 23:23:45 2005:
Sorry, that should have been hare coursing, hair coursing I suspect is to do with junior hairdressers. ;-)
Posted by Simon Huggins at Thu Feb 17 23:47:41 2005:
Why don't you buy the pest control argument?

Associating them with slavery and public hangings is just a facile device of rhetoric.  Read too many Debian trolls lately? :p

Drag hunting is quite cool though.  I knew a fair few people who do that but I'm not sure how they're going to deal with foxes in the countryside now.

Just seems like another nanny-state law really.
Posted by Scott Robinson at Fri Feb 18 08:15:56 2005:
I'm not entirely clear why hunting hounds is barbaric?
Posted by Scott Robinson at Fri Feb 18 08:16:10 2005:
I'm not entirely clear why hunting FOXES is barbaric?
Posted by Anonymous Coward at Fri Feb 18 09:15:42 2005:
Ross,

You appear to deplore the act of fox hunting (it's 'barbaric' as you say) and rightly so.  However it doesn't make sense that you condone fox hunting in other countries.  Is it only barbaric in the UK?  What gives?
Posted by Ross at Fri Feb 18 09:24:56 2005:
Anonymous person: I would love sports like fox hunting to be banned everywhere, the but fact of the matter is that it is currently legal in many places.  I never condoned fox hunting anywhere...
Posted by Anonymous Coward at Fri Feb 18 11:14:28 2005:
Child beating?
Posted by Ross at Fri Feb 18 11:32:59 2005:
Pardon?
Posted by Ben at Fri Feb 18 11:56:08 2005:
Sounds like an offer!

It's a rediculous pastime, with no tangible arguments to support it.
Posted by Simon Huggins at Fri Feb 18 12:02:02 2005:
They only managed to ban fox hunting because foxes look cute on Christmas cards.

I'm sure the league against "cruel" sports would love to ban fishing but sadly fish aren't as cute.
Posted by Ben at Fri Feb 18 12:48:11 2005:
I'm guessing that you know something about this subject from your preceeding posts - in which case, you'd know that there is a difference.

That's one of the simplistic arguments posited - which really doesn't lend any weight to the argument. Even if it were the case that fishing was the same, you can't argue that just because something else is bad, you should be able to do what you want.

I'm not a fisherman, so I have no vested interest, nor am I making any judgement about fishing - I do differentiate hare coursing and fishing however.
Posted by Iain at Fri Feb 18 13:03:57 2005:
oh, if only slavery was no longer with us. Sad fact is that there are now more slaves in the world than were ever traded during the days of the slave trade.

William Hague even mentioned it
http://www.anti-slavery.org
Posted by Simon Huggins at Fri Feb 18 13:06:29 2005:
So, Ben, can we assume that since you are making judgements about fox hunting you're a hunt saboteur (given you're clearly not in favour)?
Posted by Iain at Fri Feb 18 13:15:49 2005:
oh, if only slavery was no longer with us. Sad fact is that there are now more slaves in the world than were ever traded during the days of the slave trade.

William Hague even mentioned it
http://www.anti-slavery.org
Posted by Ben at Fri Feb 18 14:24:19 2005:
Simon, I don't agree with breaches of human rights, yet I'm not an Amnesty International member.

(I'm not equating human rights with hunting in this reply)
Posted by Anonymous Coward at Wed Feb 23 10:29:01 2005:
When was child beating legal? (note. child beating != a swift, sharp, "what was that" smack)

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